Yea not Steve but the ones who bash or become busy bodies against him. Submitted by escamp on August 31, 2015 - 3:04pm. The church that is spending $130 million on redoing its downtown campus? He argues that "the battle for the beginning is ultimately a battle between two mutually exclusive faiths faith in Scripture versus faith in anti-theistic hypotheses. 3) You respond by providing no evidence and say that you are not against mega churches. Why is that disgraceful and totally unwarranted? As for your other points, Matt Chandlers church eventually acted only after a number of Christian magazines and websites had highlighted their initial inaction. And if the thousands of baptisms represent thousands of people coming to Christ, how could one not rejoice? Now of course the labourer is worthy of his hire, and it is not a sin to be rich. The trouble is that because they have the money, the media and the power, they are able to have an influence far beyond their spiritual authority and gifts. Cho was told by MacArthur to "forget it" when he called on the elders to "do justice. Opinion Preston Clegg. Can I suggest an alternative standard? . You then accused me of muddying the waters by dropping in a bit of juicy gossip. By the way I got your recommended book. rm. 38, 31-32). A point you also mentioned. I can write the e-mails. point taken). I have not misrepresented what you said. The entire message was based around how God can meet all MY needs. So when I see money, resources and people being diverted into what appear to be personal vanity projects, branding and corporate Christianity, I weep, am angry and cry out to the Lord. The truth be told the Bible never once says it is wrong to have money or stuff. complete with standing ovation. Why do you think I should apologise for my Amazon remarks (which were simply that I could only find it on my Amazon feed at 30)? Oh and sorry about the ironic and sarky remark about being mature enough for you! MacArthur also refused to enforce mask and social distancing guidelines for congregants. ON the other hand you seem to be very quick to hand out your tongue lashing arrogance and childishness. As a preliminary observation, there is no name calling. Its just name calling which again results in self-justification and does not really contribute to any discussion. [14] In 1986, he was made President of the new Master's Seminary. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated radio program Grace to You. I dont do stock answers. Hell is not something to be used as a curse word it is real. [6] During a 1979 interview, Pastor MacArthur stated he is "distantly related to General Douglas MacArthur." Anyone at least you have persuaded me to read the book I hope it is not a waste of good time! 2023 FOX News Network, LLC. Stephen Furtick I just listened (lots of fast-forwarding) to a talk he gave at the New Spring church titled Sun Stand Still (which I think relates to one of his books). MacArthur has written three books on the subject. (function(d){var f = d.getElementsByTagName('SCRIPT')[0], p = d.createElement('SCRIPT');p.type = 'text/javascript';p.async = true;p.src = '//widgets.wp.com/platform.js';f.parentNode.insertBefore(p,f);}(document)); on Elevation Church The Good, The Bad and the Ugly. Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. And there are some well-liked denominations and networks of churches on Facebook pages too: john macarthur on elevation church. to this article here https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/). We are pleased to report that he is doing well," Grace Community Church wrote Monday on their website. I hope this is mature and open enough for you! I think youve just answered your own question; how very sad. More here: https://mrayton.wordpress.com/tag/john-macarthur/, Thanks very helpfulalthough I think that the money and the me focus are a key part of the false teaching. Finally that book! Please do not excuse sin and blasphemy. Why do you think that that was disgraceful etc but G Whites bracketing of Furtick with Chandler was not? I replied tongue in cheek and its unfortunate my smiley emo didnt indicate that. For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it? [47] In August 2021, MacArthur told congregants that "many people" had contracted COVID-19 while it "went through" the church in December 2020 and January 2021, including both him and his wife. (Screenshot credit: Julie Roys/YouTube), Error: There was an internal error submitting your form. Excellent post! Truth in love is the biblical standardI didnt claim that you had claimed suchI just assumed that that was what you are doing. [31][32][33], MacArthur believes "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9). Im afraid I have had more than enough of this kind of depressing legalism and self-righteousness pride(and before you jump in yes I admit I can all too easily be the same).. At the risk of over-blogging (I dont want to be a bore), have you seen this just the introduction. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian. Please check your information and try again or call us at 1-800-759-0700. yes it was dishonest of you to misrepresent my position as some pastors are untouchable. It is sometimes quite difficult to know how to answer you because of the way in which you misrepresent what is being said. He went on to say, "I understand that Im a fifth cousin, and so its quite a distance but nonetheless we are related. L ast week, John MacArthur celebrated 50 years in the pastorate at a conference at his congregation Grace Community Church. . For what its worth, I fully support your stand in almost everything else. I think about it this way would I rather sell a million copies of my books with little fruit, or sell a few hundred of each and yet have those few hundred profoundly affect and change the lives of many? Its wrong to mock and you should try to win them over without mockery. No-one can find out what Pastor Stephen is paid, although it is decided by a committee of out of town pastors/advisors (who are probably on the same arrangement). The biggest threat to the church comes not from fundamentalist atheists or those of another religion, it comes from within. Elevation Church's revival is seeing some theological controversy. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. One such person who has joined the ranks of GTY is Cameron Buettel, author . In 1989, after some criticism, he defended his views in a plenary session of the annual convention of the Independent Fundamental Churches of America (IFCA). Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. Some might expect be to be critical of the entertainment Hillsong style worship and the whole professional stage go that goes along with it. Cho resigned the next day. Im afraid that you are talking about something you do not really know about and picking on one particular church why? Im afraid your post is a classic example of taking a bible verse out of context and using it, whether ignorantly or deliberately to defend sin. I wasnt doing that either which a plain reading of the text will confirm. We welcome another new contributor, Edward Benitez, as he biblically critiques a sermon given by Steven Furtick. I would urge you to reread the comments by G White and your own responses to them before prayerfully replying. (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images), Even as the pastor was sick, the church elder remained upbeat, adding, "Its pretty pretty amazing we have guys with sermons in their Bibles wherever you go and so Mikes going to be here.". G White had stated that Matt Chandler was not a good example of teaching or living and then went on to pass on gossip about a particular discipline case in the Village Church. IN terms of his preaching we do disagree. David, you use your blog to write some really encouraging and courageous articles for which Im very grateful. John MacArthur is wrong about so much more than keeping women in abusive marriages. And the notion that radical Islam is going to defeat the gospel is just as daft. I know of individuals who actually talk openly about having a church!!! Just to settle this bit of your disagreement: http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Calvinists-ES-Williams/dp/1908919329/, Wonderful thanksnow I can read it on my KindleI have no idea why that did not show on my Amazon page. ", "New Covenant Theology Compared With Covenantalism", "Why Every Calvinist Should Be a Premillennialist, Part 1", "Megapastor John MacArthur says 'no one is gay', compares homosexuality to adultery", "L.A. megachurch pastor mocks pandemic health orders, even as church members fall ill", "Fact Check-CDC comorbidity figures presented in sermon do not undermine deadliness of COVID-19", "L.A. County could pay $400,000 settlement to church that fought COVID-19 mandates", "John MacArthur and Grace Community Church win $800,000 settlement from California and L.A. County", https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2023/february/grace-community-church-elder-biblical-counseling-abuse.html, "Questions and Answers -- Patricia MacArthur", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_MacArthur_(American_pastor)&oldid=1142238580, This page was last edited on 1 March 2023, at 07:45. It is wonderful stuff Matt and Tim Keller are two mega church US pastors who I listen to every week! Elevation Church were accused of getting 'volunteers' to come forward during the 'spontaneous' baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. Furtick preaches a different gospel. As it happens I was sent this video by someone who was praising it.it is more like a political rally (complete with clapping) than a Christian sermon the misuse of Scripture about borders is bad enough but the approving citation of Donald Trump Is it time to start bombing the you know what out of ISIS (that is a biblical response) was appalling. Opinion Mark Wingfield. [46][47] He stated that there was a deadlier virus killing peoplethe virus of sinleading many to eternal death, in contrast to physical death. He has remarked that "[t]he Charismatic movement has stolen the Holy Spirit and created a golden calf, and they're dancing around the golden calf as if it were the Holy Spirit. Has First Dallas never handled any controversy or discipline case wrong? "[18], MacArthur is a cessationist, holding that the "sign gifts" (such as prophecy) described in the Bible were temporarily granted to the apostles to authenticate the origin and truth of the scriptures, and that at the close of the Apostolic Age these gifts had served their purpose and ceased to be granted. False teachers and those who allow the Word of God to be compromised are like a cancer in the church; some who preach flat out heresy are like the aggressive cancer and are easy to spot quickly but others who compromise a bit here and turn a blind eye there are akin to the slow growing tumour thats often not picked up until great damage is done. I dont agree that its always wrong to mock (otherwise Elijah, Paul and Jesus were wrong), and indeed sometimes mockery has its place. [15], Nearly 43 years after beginning in the pulpit of Grace Community, MacArthur completed one of his own life goals,[2] that of preaching through the entire New Testament on June 5, 2011. I think it is a good thing that a church grows within a decade from a hundred to 20,000 people and I would love that to happen in Dundee, or Edinburgh. 4) Its also not a good idea to claim that you know the motives of someone you dont know. He states, "You must receive Jesus Christ for who He is, both Lord and Savior, to be truly saved (2 Peter 2:20). "Just so you know, Pastor John had a bug this week and preached our first hour but asked if he might be able to take a break for the second hour. The incident referred to was a very serious matter and Christian publications in th USA documented the churchs mishandling of it, which was why I had urged caution. Theres clearly no transparency or accountability at Elevation Church! John MacArthur and the folks from Grace to You (GTY) have done the body of Christ a great service by continually warning Christianity against the growing dangers within the Charismatic movement. (Ezek. I love the gospel, and I love the Lords people from whatever background, and I want to see Christ glorified throughout the world. Their influence has been growing and recently . And this from a Scottish leader of an American megachurch wonderful stuff again , Pastor, Writer, Debater, Blogger, Scot, Dundonian, married to Annabel.with three grown up children and two grandchildren.View all posts by theweeflea. In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. John MacArthur is pastor of Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, California. Pastor John MacArthur on Sunday commended GraceLife Church in Alberta, Canada, which is meeting in secret after the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) barricaded their building behind three layers of chain link fence. Find a Church . As I trust that you would not deliberately bear false witness against me, can I ask that, in future, you read any comment very carefully before making such serious accusations? Do we really believe that the Holy Spirit is incapable of working, without us chiding things along? David, you try very hard to always get the last word and I knew that the question you asked was loaded. Why not just simply deal with the facts, and leave the name calling aside? Because Elevation Church certainly dont want to. http://thewartburgwatch.com/?s=Matt+chandler&x=0&y=0 Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. There is no legalism or self-righteous pride in anything I said. (I always smile when you deploy the tu quoque argument and even, on this occasion, ego quoque Even though it was only a couple of pounds I regret wasting the money. And if you do wish to engage here, I would find it helpful if you answered my questions and stick to the point otherwise such threads just become a string of accusations. Thats why we view every news story through the lens of faith. Ironically tu quoque was what you were using about Chandler (as well as ad hom). I agree that the greatest threat to the church comes from false teachingas you will know if you read this blog. As for ES Williams book yes I have heard of it and read several reviews -Im afraid I wont be spending the 30 on a book which just seems to want to attack and tar everyone with the same brush. For you to say that I did makes you guilty of the thing you wrongly accuse me of and it is quite reprehensible. What a waste of a fantastic talent. I didnt even mention Chandler in my comment, let alone call him a false teacher (and have never done so). See what mine own hands have wrought. I note you dont answer my questions about Dallas Baptist Church. It just looks weird. Really? Sadly so. When asked why he marketed his book (or to be more accurate why the church paid thousands to market his book), he was unapologetic, if he didnt believe the message he wouldnt market it. 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